tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-339546647139712487.post5497094982006979188..comments2024-03-16T02:18:40.148-07:00Comments on Wessex Regionalists: The Return of the RegionDavid Robinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15771605556010025142noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-339546647139712487.post-43818685744350585152011-08-20T21:37:25.089-07:002011-08-20T21:37:25.089-07:00I can understand the desire to consolidate the Wes...I can understand the desire to consolidate the Wessex identity, I agree with it. I'm just saying it hasn't come that far yet; that multiple identities do very much exist in Wessex. If one is talking to those outside the party and its supporters then it is perhaps best to show something of this ambiguity. By all means it is best also to show that your idea of Wessex is the best solution to these ambiguities, I agree it is(if again I'm not that fussed about where Gloucestershire and Oxfordshire end up.) but you will come over better if you show recognition they exist and recognition of the realistic place of Wessex identity currently in the region. There is a difference between consolidating one's identity, as we must do, and simply defending it, as the Scots et al must do. Again this only really matters if you are talking to outsiders and I recommend you use that article as the basis for a pamphlet.<br /><br />Your policy on the EU is a tactical liability and it doesn't make much principled sense either. There is no need to actively support withdrawal of course, but Europhilism is tactically self-defeating, unless you're like the naive, left-of-centre Cornish nats who are hoping the EU will grant them their autonomy without realising that the EU will only do this as part of a framework that will destroy decentralism and regionalism. <br /><br />The best approach is not to directly call for leaving the EU, it can serve real purposes, but make it clear that you only see a very limited role for it, that is must stay within this role or you will take actions up to and including withdrawal, and what is more that it is only one of the many transnational forums that can be used. <br /><br />This singly out of the EU is itself a Europhile position; only a line of reasoning that sees something special and indeed ultimately above the usual importance or our international obligations in our dealings with the EU nations would preference it, on the whole, above our relationships with particular European nations(including Norway and Switzerland.), with the UN, with the Commonwealth and with the Americans. Your policy, particularly when it is explained and defended by various members, comes across as neither as hard on the EU as would be best nor as willing to make time for the alternative international forums. This does leave one with the impression of Europhilism, which is correctly unpopular in England and in Wessex.Westcountrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14604565103836807803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-339546647139712487.post-29796436095990532272011-08-20T08:37:30.283-07:002011-08-20T08:37:30.283-07:00Wessex & Europe. It’s true that Wessex has a ...Wessex & Europe. It’s true that Wessex has a less polished identity than those of the various nations with which we are all familiar. To consolidate that identity is a major piece of the project and we won’t make progress if we remain endlessly deferential to competing identities on our territory. We have to start as we mean to go on. We don’t have to be arrogant about this. The case for Wessex can be put simply as common sense, leaving histrionics to one-man bands from Mercia.<br /><br />The article refers to our friends and neighbours, who are indeed in Europe. We would find little in common politically or geographically with movements in other continents whose conditions differ so radically from our own. Our position on the EU is perfectly clear, namely that subsidiarity must apply at every level and that currently it does not.David Robinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15771605556010025142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-339546647139712487.post-58372725692308890692011-08-15T21:02:24.102-07:002011-08-15T21:02:24.102-07:00I suppose my comments above are more weighted to c...I suppose my comments above are more weighted to considering that article in isolation, as a stand alone piece. My second criticism in particular is only important in such circumstances.Westcountrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14604565103836807803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-339546647139712487.post-72184085945023441242011-08-15T20:44:55.378-07:002011-08-15T20:44:55.378-07:00That was an excellent article. That is the sort of...That was an excellent article. That is the sort of stirring call that could really bring people on board to the regionalist movement. <br /><br />I did wonder why you mentioned Europe only and not say the World or the West? To single out Europe seems strange and puts ond in the unpopular and tactically poor position of seeming to Europhile. You don't have to be hyperbolically Eurosceptic, but hints of actual pro-EU sentiments are tactically, and I'd say in principle, not a good look. <br /><br />My other criticism would be that of the invriable use of term 'Wessex'. Now obviously you a spokesman for the Wessex regionalist party and in other areas you no doubt give a more nuanced view of the region. However Wessex, is really three regions which though linked are not necessarily identical. That is, it is the historical and cultural Wessex, it is the South-West and the West Country. In that sense Wessex is not a relatively open and shut identity like the identity of the Welsh or the English, as English, are. Someone from Somerset could be quite a fierce 'South-West first' sort of a person but have no real conception of Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Hampshire, the Isle of Wight or even Wiltshire as part of their 'region'. I'm not of course challenging the party's and society's definition of Wessex, I agree with it except I think good arguments about the status of Gloucestershire or Oxfordshire can be made either way and where they end up is not key to the identity of Wessex or a South-West region. I do think though more nuance should be used, just to show Wessex regionalists and decentralists are alive to the complexities and realities involved and are not(as some Mercians I have encountered are.) kooks who take it for granted that our regional identity is as alive and fixed as that of the Scots or the Welsh and even(like the Mercians again) little changed for over a thousand years(some Mercians even try and merge Mercian nationalism with Germanic pagan revivalism!).<br /><br />With those of little tweaks I genuinely think that article could be the basis of a stand alone pamphlet or some such thing to argue the case for Wessex regionalism.Westcountrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14604565103836807803noreply@blogger.com